Something is going on out there…
While I still work on LINQ 2 SQL some people started an open discussion, rant, or rail (depending on one’s view and taken offense) about the upcoming Entity Framework.
In all frankness, an “ADO .NET Entity Framework Vote of No Confidence” (VoNC from now on, see here) is certainly capable to triggering off some very strong reactions.
What I disagree with is the way in which it’s presented. The language of “Vote of No Confidence” is intended to start a fight and is long hand for “You suck”. […]
I’m not upset that people are giving feedback. I want them to give feedback. But here’s the deal – do it in a grown up way. My way or the highway doesn’t sit well with anyone on the receiving end. There’s a WIDE path between being constructively critical and downright offensive.
(Josh Holmes, Ranting and Raving or Getting Results?)
Also quite funny: While the VoNC has probably been popularized by Mary-Jo Foley, she instantly got her … feedback …. from one of the VoNC’s authors:
The signatories list represents leading developers, architects, and practice leads within the Microsoft community. The representation of the signatories as testers is misleading and inaccurate.
We would appreciate an immediate retraction and correction of this misrepresentation.
(Scott Bellware, MVP, see here)
Seems people got a little testy. Anyway, Scott also points out “the history of the feedback and relationship between the community of experts and the Entity Framework team going back to April of 2007”, which raises the question why they still had to publish the VoNC in the first place, despite that relationship.
Given all that, Microsoft’s response was a fine example of “cooling things down” and trying to focus in the facts. Well, essentially Tim more or less tells us that all the VoNC asked for will be kind of there in EF v2.
But already the VoNC is experiencing string headwind. Most is aimed at the, well, call it appearance, of the VoNC and a nice listing can be found here. There is even an “An Open Letter to the ALT.NET Community” (see here).
Thought I would spare you? Silly you😉
What instantly caught my attention, if just because it was the first point made in the VoNC, was the statement that “entities are more significantly behavioral objects from the perspective of entity-oriented applications” and the claim that this is a “key architectural enabler and distinction”.
Having some experience with EJB those statements vividly reminded me of entity beans. I have expressed my opinion on the notion of “intelligent data objects” (for lack of a better term) more than half a decade ago:
My opinion is that the support of statefull components (i.e. entity beans) in J2EE is one of its biggest weaknesses. Not because it’s technically bad but it leads to wrong architectural design decisions […]
(microsoft.public.dotnet.general, 4/9/2001, see here)
The reasons for this opinion in 2001 (scalability, reliability, etc.) are still valid. Additionally there are a bunch of other reasons: Trends to lightweight architectures have prospered in Java and even affected .NET (back then, DataSets were the means of choice, today entity classes are very common). The Service notion put emphasis on data shape and operations on that data. Business process engines move data from system to system, shaping and reshaping it along the way. In the distributed, sometimes disconnected world that our enterprise environments have become I could build cases against behavioral objects around security, maintenance, outsourcing scenarios, versioning, testing (which is ironically so favored in the VoNC), software complexity, future safety, and so on.
The VoNC seems to imply that if you don’t have “behavioral objects from the perspective of entity-oriented applications”, then you are stuck with “data objects from the perspective of data storage and data storage technologies” (as I read it more or less simple mappings from database tables to objects). Well, correct me if I’m wrong, but data can be reshaped without putting behavior in it. That’s exactly what I expect from an ORM tool like EF.
I’ll stop before I get carried away. Much to my own relief, I’m not the only one having these reservations, though: Ian noted the similarity with EJB as well and got deeper in this topic. Ward makes a good point on the issues of “Persistence Ignorance” which I share and thus won’t reiterate here.
Where are we?
As I see it, the ongoing discussions are circling around the issue on whether entities should follow the data centric pattern of value objects, or whether they should be complemented with behavior to become business objects. That is largely a matter of taste.
On the other hand, the discussion is somewhat misleading. The topic has got nothing to do with domain models, which in itself is agnostic of those two approaches. And the VoNC’s reference to the anemic domain model (i.e. a domain model based on value objects) only muddies the water. The very verdict that this is an anti-pattern, and a horrific one at that, is due to a judgment by Martin Fowler and only justified by the fact that it violates OO principles (which is obvious) and people think (yes, they do, according to Martin) that value objects are real objects. No wonder the VoNC calls this a “degraded architecture”.
So, two opposing forces, standing in muddied water, and Microsoft caught between them. The PDC is going to be interesting…😀
BTW: Please note that I never said, Microsoft should not do what the VoNC asks for. There are bright people among the signatories and they should not be ignored. Microsoft as tool vendor should provide a tool than can be used in any architecture.
That’s all for now folks,